Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 106

04/24/2007 03:00 PM House HEALTH, EDUCATION & SOCIAL SERVICES


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 192 LAYOFF/NONRETENTION OF TEACHERS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 192(HES) Out of Committee
+ SJR 3 MEDICARE RATES IN ALASKA TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 4 MEDICAL FACILITY CERTIFICATE OF NEED TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HB 192-LAYOFF/NONRETENTION OF TEACHERS                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:04:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 192, "An  Act relating to notification to teachers                                                               
of layoff or nonretention."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:06:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MIKE DOOGAN,  Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor,                                                               
presented HB  192 paraphrasing from the  sponsor statement, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Statute  currently requires school  districts to                                                                    
     inform tenured  teachers they will  be laid off  or not                                                                    
     retained  for the  following school  year by  March 16,                                                                    
     while  teachers who  have not  acquired tenure  must be                                                                    
     notified by the final day of the school term.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     HB  192 changes  the  notification date  for layoff  or                                                                    
     nonretention of  tenured teachers from March  16 to the                                                                    
     final  day of  the school  term, the  same notification                                                                    
     deadline  mandated  for   non-tenured  teachers.    The                                                                    
     reason for this change is  school districts do not know                                                                    
     what their  budget for the  following school  year will                                                                    
     be by the middle of March.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     While school  districts can project or  make reasonable                                                                    
     guesses,  they  do not  know  with  certainty what  the                                                                    
     state's contribution to education  is going to be until                                                                    
     the end  of the  legislative session.   In the  face of                                                                    
     inadequate information,  it is unreasonable  to require                                                                    
     school  districts   to  send  pink  slips   to  tenured                                                                    
     teachers  in the  middle of  March simply  because they                                                                    
     are  uncertain  if they  will  have  adequate funds  to                                                                    
     retain  the teachers  by the  time the  legislature has                                                                    
     passed an education funding budget.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN further  explained  that  the law  handles                                                               
teachers  in two  groups:   tenured  and nontenured.   Tenure  is                                                               
attained by  three years  of teaching in  the same  district with                                                               
good evaluations.  Alaska law  requires that a tenured teacher be                                                               
informed  of  nonretention  by  the  sixteenth  of  March  and  a                                                               
nontenured  teacher must  be notified  at the  end of  the school                                                               
year.    Thus  this early in  the year, when  funding can  not be                                                               
guaranteed, districts will send  layoff notices.  Although layoff                                                               
priorities  determine  that  nontenured  teachers  are  laid  off                                                               
first,  some districts  must layoff  tenured  teachers in  March.                                                               
Although  there   has  been  discussion  about   forward  funding                                                               
education, Representative  Doogan pointed  out that in  a typical                                                               
year, such as  2007, education funding is not  settled and school                                                               
districts do  not know what  the coming budget will  provide for;                                                               
teachers are left in limbo not  knowing what the coming year will                                                               
hold for  them.   This legislation  will change  the nonretention                                                               
date for  tenured teachers from  the fifteenth  of March   to the                                                               
end of  the school  year.   This will  prevent a  school district                                                               
from losing  teachers whom it  intends to rehire when  the budget                                                               
is  final.    He  concluded  that  this  problem  is  due  to  an                                                               
antiquated statue that no longer meets the budget calendar.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:11:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  referred to a constituent,  who has taught                                                               
in rural  and urban Alaska for  20 years, who requested  that the                                                               
law  should not  be changed.    The constituent  stated that  the                                                               
existing law is best for all parties.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  responded  that,  if  the  state  forward                                                               
funded  education,  a  school  district  would  know  before  the                                                               
fifteenth of  March whether  it has funds  to retain  its tenured                                                               
teachers; the situation now is a guessing game.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN relayed that  a principal from his district                                                               
stated   that,  although   teachers  may   not  like   the  bill,                                                               
administrators  would  due  to the  increased  time  allowed  for                                                               
negotiation.    He  opined  that   the  bill  puts  teachers  and                                                               
administrators on opposite sides.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:13:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  opined  that   the  existing  law  is  not                                                               
working.   This bill intends  to improve the situation  of highly                                                               
qualified and  competent teachers who  wish to continue  in their                                                               
positions.  He provided a scenario  of why this does not work for                                                               
teachers who  have received a  pink slip and are  wondering where                                                               
they  will be  working  in  the fall.    He  fully described  the                                                               
process  for   layoff  and  reinstatement  as   a  difficult  and                                                               
cumbersome  process.    Good  teachers   can  be  lost  to  other                                                               
districts  and  states  during  the  three  months  of  upheaval.                                                               
Representative Roses said that he has an amendment to offer.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN stated that the  intent of this bill is not                                                               
to  estrange   teachers  and  administrators.     It   is  simply                                                               
recognizing that  school districts and some  tenured teachers are                                                               
put in a difficult position by the March deadline.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:17:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked whether  tenured teachers  have been                                                               
spoken to  about this  bill. He  pointed out  that job  fairs for                                                               
teachers are  scheduled in April and  one of the reasons  for the                                                               
pink slips to go  out in March is to allow  the teachers to avail                                                               
themselves of the April job fairs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  responded that  he has heard  the concerns                                                               
that  laid  off  teachers  may  miss  attending  the  job  fairs.                                                               
However, the  more common problem  is that school  districts have                                                               
been  forced  to  layoff  tenured teachers,  whom  they  wish  to                                                               
retain, because of the budget uncertainty.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GARDNER   referred  to   Representative   Roses'                                                               
statement that  more often than  not, most teachers who  get laid                                                               
off get  hired back.   She asked whether  it was known  how often                                                               
teachers are not hired back.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN said  he did not have  a definitive answer.                                                               
He added that  the Anchorage School District  makes every attempt                                                               
to hire  teachers back and he  estimated that it lost  between 10                                                               
percent and 20 percent of those who were laid off.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:21:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES recalled his  experience as president of the                                                               
Anchorage Education  Association (AEA).   When other  states were                                                               
having  budget  problems  the   AEA  would  successfully  recruit                                                               
teachers with expertise  in areas of extreme  critical needs from                                                               
those areas.   The out-of-state  districts were then left  with a                                                               
critical shortage when their budgets were finalized.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:22:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON  commented that a  school with a  falling enrollment                                                               
is placed  in a  critical situation.   Additionally, there  is an                                                               
inequity between tenured and nontenured teachers.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:23:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA reported that  one of her constituents felt                                                               
that the  bill will make  layoffs at the  end of the  school year                                                               
easier for  the administration.  She  said she was unclear  as to                                                               
that  procedure and  expressed her  hope that  questions will  be                                                               
cleared  up.   Further,  Representative  Cissna wondered  whether                                                               
teachers  who  are going  to  be  laid  off have  received  prior                                                               
warning,   and  if   the  Department   of  Education   and  Early                                                               
Development tracked the layoff procedure.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:25:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  expressed his  understanding that  most of                                                               
the  pink slips  are to  nontenured teachers;  this is  a general                                                               
practice and  perhaps a political  ploy to increase funding.   He                                                               
stated  that  all  this  bill  will do  is  to  put  tenured  and                                                               
nontenured teachers in the same position.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN observed  that  it is  a  general rule  to                                                               
layoff  all  of the  nontenured  teachers  prior to  the  tenured                                                               
teachers.   The intent of this  bill is to help  school districts                                                               
that  are  the  most  negatively impacted  by  the  existing  law                                                               
because they  are smaller  and have a  higher portion  of tenured                                                               
teachers.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:27:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  observed  that this  is  a  political                                                               
process   and    that   pink    slips   are    sometimes   issued                                                               
inappropriately.      She  stated  her  support  for  having  the                                                               
teachers  wait to  the end  of the  school year,  as well  as her                                                               
support  for forward  funding  of the  education  budget so  that                                                               
teachers will  know they will  be returning to  their classrooms.                                                               
Representative  Fairclough said  she  had  received notices  from                                                               
four or five citizens against this  bill.  However, the bill will                                                               
set up standard  and equitable means to issue  layoff notices, if                                                               
necessary, and to  offset the current political  process that has                                                               
been used more frequently in the last five years.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:30:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  requested information  on the  labor union                                                               
agreements that support teachers through the layoff process.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  expressed   his  understanding  that  the                                                               
teacher's  unions  attempt  to equalize  negotiations  in  school                                                               
districts across the board.   However, negotiations depend on the                                                               
size of  the district, its  growth, its financial  situation, and                                                               
its stability.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked whether  there is a one-size-fits-all                                                               
fix.   He  also asked  whether school  districts have  considered                                                               
adjusting the timeline for starting the budget process.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:32:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  opined  that  school  districts  may  play                                                               
politics  to   degree;  however,  the  reality   is  that  layoff                                                               
notification must be  given to teachers if the  budget process is                                                               
not final.  If a tenured teacher  is not laid off, he or she must                                                               
be  employed to  avoid  possible arbitration.    In addition,  he                                                               
pointed out that  the only layoffs affected by this  bill will be                                                               
those that  take place due  to the lack  of a final  funding bill                                                               
for education.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES then  offered  Amendment 1.   He  explained                                                               
that the intent of the amendment  is to directly tie the deadline                                                               
of the  layoff notices  to whether  the legislature  has approved                                                               
school  funding on  or prior  to the  first of  March of  a given                                                               
year.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:35:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH objected for discussion purposes.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  asked whether  the existing law  would not                                                               
change  if the  legislature passes  the educational  funding bill                                                               
prior to the first of March.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES remarked:                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     That's true  except, that if you're  laying someone off                                                                    
     based on the  fact that there is no funding,  and if it                                                                    
     is on March second, they're not  going to be able to go                                                                    
     around that quickly and get  it processed they're going                                                                    
     to  have to  justify as  to  why they  are laying  that                                                                    
     person off  if the  budget [has] been  passed.   So the                                                                    
     only way  it would affect it  would be if, by  the time                                                                    
     you got  later on  to the  end of  the school  year and                                                                    
     there was  no budget, at  that point, then it  would be                                                                    
     issued.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:36:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  warned that that  is the issue.  This bill                                                               
could be  used as a  tool administratively to give  teachers what                                                               
they do not want.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON advised  that a tenured teacher can not  be laid off                                                               
without due process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:37:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  clarified that House  Bill 20 in  the 24th                                                               
Alaska  State Legislature  made  an effort  to  forward fund  the                                                               
school   budget.     He  provided   background   on  this   prior                                                               
legislation.  He  observed that the intent of HB  192 bill can be                                                               
supported, but  there is disagreement  from school  districts and                                                               
teachers about  moving the pink slip  to the last day  of school.                                                               
He expressed  his concern  that the  education funding  bill will                                                               
never  pass both  houses by  the first  of March,  thus the  bill                                                               
effectively  states  that  tenured  teachers  will  be  receiving                                                               
layoff notification at the end of the school year.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR WILSON opined that forward funding is possible.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:40:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH  added  that forward  funding,  either                                                               
through an  education endowment  or by  overcoming the  hurdle of                                                               
supplemental requests, will solve the  problem.  She withdrew her                                                               
objection to the amendment.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:40:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Hearing no further objection Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:41:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHLEEN  TODD, Member,  Valdez School  Board, explained  how the                                                               
pink slips  are distributed in  the Valdez School District.   She                                                               
encouraged the  committee to think  of all of the  teachers whose                                                               
jobs  are on  the  line.   Last  year  there  were seven  tenured                                                               
teachers worried about  their jobs until the  fifteenth of March.                                                               
Unfortunately, under this bill, they  will have to wait until the                                                               
end of the  year.  Under this  bill, tenure has its  rewards in a                                                               
large district  but not in  a small  district.  Ms.  Todd pointed                                                               
out that that  is a reason for teachers to  leave rural areas and                                                               
work in the larger districts.   Her school board must re-work its                                                               
budget  three  times  a  year  to  comply  with  the  law.    She                                                               
encouraged the  committee to  move the  session dates  earlier in                                                               
the year or forward fund education.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:45:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYDIA    GARCIA,   Executive    Director,   National    Education                                                               
Association-Alaska  (NEA-Alaska), stated  NEA-Alaska's opposition                                                               
to HB 192,  which is identical to SB 156  presented two years ago                                                               
by  Senator  Ben  Stevens.    She  paraphrased  from  a  prepared                                                               
statement,   which   read   as  follows   [original   punctuation                                                               
provided]:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     I'm  certain  it  will  come as  no  surprise  to  this                                                                    
     committee  that  NEA-Alaska  opposes  House  Bill  192.                                                                    
     This  legislation  is   identical  to  the  legislation                                                                    
     introduced by  Senator Ben Stevens  (SB 156)  two years                                                                    
     ago.   The idea is  to erode  tenure rights is  just as                                                                    
     bad now  as it  was two years  ago when  this committee                                                                    
     did not hear the legislation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Currently tenured  teachers must  be notified  by March                                                                    
     15th if they are to be  laid off.  This is an important                                                                    
     benefit  earned  by  teachers  when  they  begin  their                                                                    
     fourth year of  teaching with the same  district.  When                                                                    
     tenured teachers are notified  by March 15th, they have                                                                    
     appropriate time  to attend job fairs  (held most often                                                                    
     in April) and time to search for new employment.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Furthermore,  many  schools  lock  in  their  staff  by                                                                    
     having them  sign individual  contract months  prior to                                                                    
     the end  of school.   Significant  penalties (thousands                                                                    
     of  dollars) are  attached to  those  contracts if  the                                                                    
     teachers break  them anywhere close  to the end  of the                                                                    
     year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     What  this bill  does is  put all  the hardship  on the                                                                    
     teachers  by requiring  them early  on to  notify their                                                                    
     district of  their intent to  return, but  allowing the                                                                    
     districts  the option  of laying  off  teachers on  the                                                                    
     last  day of  school.   By this  time major  recruiting                                                                    
     drives have already been completed.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     HB 192 appears to be  a solution looking for a problem.                                                                    
     Alaska  should  be doing  everything  in  its power  to                                                                    
     recruit  and  retain quality  teachers  to  Alaska.   A                                                                    
     report  published in  2006 by  the institute  of Social                                                                    
     and  Economic  Research  verifies  that  about  70%  of                                                                    
     teachers are  hired from outside Alaska.   Studies also                                                                    
     show  that  50%  of  the   teaching  force  leaves  the                                                                    
     profession after five  years.  Alaska should  not be in                                                                    
     the  business  of  making  things  more  difficult  for                                                                    
     teachers.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Part of  what seems to  drive this type  of legislation                                                                    
     is that school districts  never know what their funding                                                                    
     level  will  be by  March  15th.   NEA-Alaska  supports                                                                    
     efforts to  forward fund education  and to get  as much                                                                    
     financial   information  to   districts   as  soon   as                                                                    
     possible.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     This  is  a  matter  of dignity  and  respect  for  our                                                                    
     Teachers  who  have  earned  this  last  benefit  of  a                                                                    
     Tenured  System, which  has suffered  erosion.   Please                                                                    
     reconsider the passing  of this bill.  I  oppose HB 192                                                                    
     on behalf of all NEA-Alaska members.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:50:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARDNER asked whether NEA-Alaska would still                                                                     
oppose HB 192 if the recruiting fairs and job fairs were                                                                        
scheduled later in the year.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. GARCIA offered her experience that the month of April is a                                                                  
standard for job fairs across the nation.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES informed the  committee that the majority of                                                               
job fairs are held to  coordinate with college graduation; not to                                                               
accommodate the currently employed.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:51:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CARL  ROSE,  Executive  Director, Association  of  Alaska  School                                                               
Boards (AASB),  stated AASB's opposition  to HB 192  and provided                                                               
historical information  and updates  on the  tenure process.   He                                                               
stressed  that  the  legislature  and  school  districts  have  a                                                               
difficult  time identifying  resources early  in the  year.   The                                                               
unintended consequence  of moving  [the fifteenth of  March] date                                                               
is the  loss of staff who  will not be signing  contracts for the                                                               
next  year.   He  agreed  with  the  previous speaker  that  that                                                               
forward  funding  will  solve  the  problem.    He  reminded  the                                                               
committee  that the  tenure law  looked at  quality, performance,                                                               
accountability, and fairness, and that  tenure is not portable in                                                               
the state.  By moving this  date around the issues of fairness to                                                               
and uncertainty for employees comes into play.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH asked Mr.  Rose to identify the section                                                               
in the  legislation that prevents school  districts from offering                                                               
contracts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE said  that the lack of notification by  the fifteenth of                                                               
March opens up the opportunity for staff to look for other work.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FAIRCLOUGH further asked  how changing the date is                                                               
different  from  the  current  process  of  the  school  district                                                               
estimating its budget and issuing pink slips.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROSE  replied  that,  once  you  move  past  the  nontenured                                                               
teachers, the tenured teachers have  protections that may lead to                                                               
consequences.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ROSES asked Mr. Rose  for his opinion of Amendment                                                               
1. Representative  Roses stated that [Representative  Roses] is a                                                               
strong  advocate  for tenure  and  has  protected the  rights  of                                                               
teachers   in  the   past.     He  recalled   regretful  personal                                                               
experiences  in which  pink slip  notices have  been issued.   He                                                               
assured the committee that he  would have no part in jeopardizing                                                               
tenure for teachers  and this [bill and amendment]  is an attempt                                                               
to  prevent the  issuance  of pink  slip  notices solely  because                                                               
school districts are waiting on  the legislature for its decision                                                               
on funding education.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:58:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  opined that there  are three  options:  move  the date,                                                               
fund early, or  Amendment 1. Ideally, identifying  funds early is                                                               
the best option, but this amendment moves [the state] closer.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:58:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN observed that there  is not an easy fix and                                                               
forward funding  for education is  not a  reality.  He  asked Mr.                                                               
Rose  whether  this  bill  will  put  further  stress  on  school                                                               
districts due to the shorter legislative session.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROSE  warned that  the 90-day  session may  create a  need to                                                               
extend the  first session or  to work  through the interim  to be                                                               
ready  in  February  of  the  second  year.    Interim  committee                                                               
processes may be the reality  of the 90-day session; transparency                                                               
will be  a casualty.   He also  speculated that  future resources                                                               
will  come from  the  earnings reserve  of  the Alaska  Permanent                                                               
Fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN   noted  that  the  90-day   session  also                                                               
requires  the  governor  to  pass  a budget  within  15  days  of                                                               
adjournment.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:01:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ROSES  moved  HB 192,  Version  25-LS0720\A.1  as                                                               
amended [with individual  recommendations and accompanying fiscal                                                               
notes].                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  said that his  objection was based  on the                                                               
testimony of the knowledgeable parties.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:02:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said that the  notification at the  end of                                                               
the school  year is  very problematic for  tenured teachers.   He                                                               
stated his opposition to the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA stated  her strong belief that  the need to                                                               
take care  of the school  budget should be  a priority and  not a                                                               
political hold-out.  There is a  conflict in that this bill takes                                                               
care of one problem but does hold unintended consequences.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:05:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FAIRCLOUGH recalled  that a  witness pointed  out                                                               
that  the  committee  has  three  choices  and  each  choice  has                                                               
consequences.  She  noted that  she  has  supported an  education                                                               
endowment for the past ten  years.  Furthermore, forward funding,                                                               
or an educational endowment, will not  occur in the next year due                                                               
to deadlocks  over supplemental requests.   She opined  that this                                                               
bill, as  amended, stops  the premature  issuances of  pink slips                                                               
and stated her  support for the bill.   Representative Fairclough                                                               
cited  the  saving  of  time  and  money  by  the  larger  school                                                               
districts as the basis for supporting the bill.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:07:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARDNER  expressed  her  conflict  on  the  bill.                                                               
However, the status quo causes the  loss of good teachers and she                                                               
stated her support for the bill.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.   Representatives Roses, Fairclough,                                                               
Cissna,  Gardner,   and  Wilson  voted   in  favor  of   HB  192.                                                               
Representatives Neuman  and Seaton voted against  it.  Therefore,                                                               
HB  192 was  reported  out  of the  House  Health, Education  and                                                               
Social Services Standing Committee by a vote of 5-2.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                

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